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Sue

So sorry to read you had this nasty experience. I completely agree that being quoted is a boon to those authors and I cannot wait to read your book. I too am an avid highlighter of my reference books. What a great, generous idea.

Janet Boyer

Thank you so much, Sue! I love exposing people to authors and books I admire, which is one reason I've reviewed so much. Since I've been short on time, I thought this was the next best thing... After all, give a taste of a book, and readers will buy the whole meal!

I've bought MANY books, myself, just based on quotations found on books or even online.

Are you a trivia buff, too? The quote loving seems to go hand-in-hand with trivia obsession! :oD

Che

You know I've read your reviews for several years because you seemed to cut to the chase on card decks, books etc so that I could make a buying decision much easier. I would have thought that any author, etc would be happy to be mentioned. But one lousy jack bleep has to go show his "it's all about me" how fabulous I am by knocking down someone else and their reputation without regard to principle, morality, or human kindness much less any intelligence about the bigger picture! Which he doesn't get. Keep on keeping on being Janet. There are people out here who do respect and appreciate you! Be well!

Janet Boyer

Thanks, Che!

He tried to post on my FB page, but it contained lies, so I immediately deleted it. He wanted his quote removed from the eBook, which I've already done. Funny thing is, a lot of my writer friends said "Who IS he, anyway? I've never heard of him!"

I have no interest in getting into a flamewar with a bunch of hyenas. I've got tons of stuff to write, after all! ;o)

I appreciate you stopping by and taking the time to post...and for being a faithful reader!

Elizabeth Sims

Janet, I appreciate your transparency. In fairness, I might mention that some authors have endured major ripoffs of their work, and this makes them angry and reactive. (For all I know, I'm one of them; I don't check around online for pirated versions of my work.) (Also, of course, it just plain feels good to be righteously angry, and this might help explain the fans as well.) However, in this digital age there is just no way an author can keep total control over his/ her work, and moreover, most of the time if an excerpt is cited somewhere, it only does the author good. Best wishes again. I see your private email and will reply.

Angela Perry

Hi Janet. I'm new to your blog, and before I say anything, I want you to know I'm not here to attack you or create a big scene. Full disclosure: I did find out about the book from all the broohaha.

I'm a technical writer/editor who works in the computer industry. We make a point of always getting permission to use quotes in any publications. I suspect, if you look in the front matter of the books you list that contain quotes, you'll see the copyright information of the original authors and the phrase "used with permission."

Fair use is a slippery topic. Please check out this article: http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/fair-use-rule-copyright-material-30100.html With the book being entirely made up of quotations without commentary, it isn't considered a new creation.

I plan someday to publish books outside of my day job, and I've met some great people in the publishing industry. We all support each other. I hope you don't take this the wrong way, because I honestly just want to help. Copyright can be tricky.

Janet Boyer

Hi Angela! Welcome. :o)

I appreciate you sharing your insights. I'll ask my lawyer who specializes in intellectual property to get his take. Regarding books crediting sources in the front matter (used by permission): I just checked all the books I mentioned in my post and NONE had a permissions credit save one book where the author excerpted 4 lengthy passages.

Janet Boyer

Hi Elizabeth! Thanks so much for stopping by. I am against plagiarism, pirating and copyright violations where individuals try to pass off another work as their own. Books of inspiration (which my book is) not only pays homage to the quoted writers, but seeks to point readers DIRECTLY to the source materials so readers can not only discover new (to them) books, but also buy their books.

I appreciate your encouragement and taking the time to stop by to comment! (Btw found your recent article in WD of interest since I'm a fan of the well-placed F bomb. LOL)

Angela Perry

That sounds like a fantastic idea. If you have an IP lawyer available, he'll be able to get you a definitive answer.

I have to say, I'm surprised none of the books had permissions credits. We have to be impeccably fastidious about them. Maybe it's the difference in genres? Maybe computer geeks are just really picky? :)

There was one book where we shuffled permissions to the Acknowledgements and Bibliography sections...I'll have to look into it further and see if things differ outside the geek world. I'm curious now. I hope you'll share your final answer when you get it!

Janet Boyer

Yeah, I wonder if technical books are more fastidious because of possible connections between research, discovery, credits, awards and patents?

I'll be talking to my lawyer this week; will definitely let you know what I find out, Angela!

Ms. Nick

I wonder if it does fall under "fair use." A compilation of fairly long quotes (like a mix tape) seems different than using quotes in the context of making their own points. It'll be interesting to hear the legal opinion.

Anne R. Allen

Janet, I first saw this last night and I've been running it through my mind ever since. Thing is, if you had run a contest of "best quotes for writers" these same writers might have happily paid an entry fee just to have a chance to be included in something that was going to promote their work this way.

Personally, I'd have been sooo honored to have my writing book quoted in your collection. (And I'm very impressed with Elizabeth Sims classy comment.)

I think what upset the crazies was that you're not "one of them"--however they identify themselves--and they turned into a hive of angry bees. No brain, just instinct: attack the intruder!

I've seen this happen a number of times (it happened to me when I dared to write post about how to write Amazon reviews when I wasn't a member of the elite reviewer club.)

It's a scary, dangerous trend, and I think the fear of "piracy" is a trigger point for them, so any mention of the word sets off an irrational mob. There was the poor disabled veteran who tried to set up a book sharing site and got attacked by a swarm of haters (actually, I think the same mob that attacked you.) His months and months of work were taken down in an hour by their complaints.

Thing is, as Neil Young said, "Piracy is the way stuff gets around these days." Not that you were being a pirate in any way. You were being a fangirl/promoter.

But they couldn't hear that, because they perceive you to be an "outsider."

I'm going to be writing about this on my blog in May. It needs to be addressed. I hope it doesn't get me any more death threats!

Janet Boyer

Still waiting to hear from my lawyer, Ms. Nick!

Janet Boyer

Your wish is my command! #9, from your fangirl. ;o)

I think you hit the nail on the head, Anne. Had I been "one of them", the eBook would have been passed around, RTed, promoted to death, etc. (Considering the looks of the "bees", I'm quite happy to NOT be one of them! Blech.)

Susannah

I'm curious to know what the outcome of the "brouhaha" was ~ did the IP lawyer help clarify the situation?

Janet Boyer

Hi Susannah! Basically, a jerk writer protested about my quotes eBook and turned his rabid Twitter followers against me. In a nutshell, I should have gotten permission from every author and/or publisher. The fact remains that many writing quotes eBooks are for sale on AMZN...and the author's haven't srcured permission (nor received the backlash I received).

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